Surplus Seedling / Plant List

[ralphrmartin]

Vic Wrote:
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> I've discussed this with Tony Mace in the past
> when someone took offence to the fact that I
> deleted their post whch was a direct link to their
> nursery offering plants for sale. Tony said I was
> absolutely correct and that there is to be no
> commercial advertising on this forum.

Without disrespect to Tony, I'll note that Tony has no authority in this matter whatsoever. While he might HOST these webpages, they are BCSS wepages, not his webpages. Making such a decision seems well outside his remit as BCSS Publicity Officer, and he is not a member of the FGPC. This is a decision for the moderators of this forum, who HAVE been appointed by FGPC. I believe they ought to do what the members of the forum want. Does the BCSS exist for its members? Or are the members here to obey the BCSS? I think Chris was right the first time when he called for a vote! So, please DO vote here so our moderators know what we want. Then they can implement our wishes.

Moderators, please don't duck the issue by trying to shift responsibility for the decision! After all, it does say YOUR decision is final!:)

[Chris43]

Clarification will be sought - I've offered Ralph first opportunity to do this, else I'm happy to do this on his and/or others behalf. One way or another, we'll let you know if there is a change in the current policy.

[Bill]

Unless this from our own website is out of date I have to correct you there Ralph:

[quote]Members of the Finance & General Purposes Committee

Several members have asked for a list of the members of the F&GP Committee. The details for the coming year are as follows:

BCSS Chairman - John Arnold. BCSS Vice-Chairman - Alistair Glen. BCSS Treasurer - David Kirkbright. BCSS Secretary - Eddy Harris. Membership Secretary - David Slade. Journal Editor - Roy Mottram. Bradleya Editor - Colin Walker. Marketing Manager - Stan Griffin. Advertising Manager - David Quail. Representative of the Shows Committee - Mike Stansbie. Publications Officer - Tony Mace. General members of the committee (elected annually): Suzanne Mace, Graham Walker, Alice Davies, Roland Tebbenham.[/quote]

But I don't necessarily feel that this means that Tony's remit covers the forum, it's something that needs clarification, and I also agree that within the aims/rules of the society the forum should have a certain latitude to set it's own rules.

[Guest]

Ralph,

So I choose to give my spare plants away and that is wrong.

Just because you want to make money out of people it doesn't mean we all have to.

[Chris43]

Bob,
I don't think Ralph is saying that we all should. If its a question of listing a person's seedlinsg that are free, and thos ethat are priced (low to recoer cost), then I think I know who I'd go to first.

[ralphrmartin]

Bill Wrote:
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> Unless this from our own website is out of date I
> have to correct you there Ralph:
>
> Members of the Finance & General Purposes
> Committee
>
> Several members have asked for a list of the
> members of the F&GP Committee. The details for the
> coming year are as follows:
>
> BCSS Chairman - John Arnold. BCSS Vice-Chairman -
> Alistair Glen. BCSS Treasurer - David Kirkbright.
> BCSS Secretary - Eddy Harris. Membership Secretary
> - David Slade. Journal Editor - Roy Mottram.
> Bradleya Editor - Colin Walker. Marketing Manager
> - Stan Griffin. Advertising Manager - David Quail.
> Representative of the Shows Committee - Mike
> Stansbie. Publications Officer - Tony Mace.
> General members of the committee (elected
> annually): Suzanne Mace, Graham Walker, Alice
> Davies, Roland Tebbenham.


Well, you must be looking at a different part of the BCSS website to me. That is a very different list to the one I got by going to this page: http://www.bcss.org.uk/fellows.html.

I stand corrected - but perhaps the the above page needs bringing up to date!

[ralphrmartin]

Bob Wrote:
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> So I choose to give my spare plants away and that
> is wrong.
>
> Just because you want to make money out of people
> it doesn't mean we all have to.


Bob, you have twisted my words completely round! I never suggested anyone couldn't give their plants away if they wish (please re-read my postings carefully). All I suggested was that if people want to advertise spare plants at a moderate cost, they should be allowed to do so in the forum.

Just because you want to give your spare plants away doesn't mean every one else should have to do so! I am certainly making a loss at prices less than ?1. But I want to make sure that if people get my plants, they care enough that they will look after them - or not just go and immediately flog them on eBay, And yes, I have seen people get things for free then flog them on eBay.,.

[Bill]

Hi Ralph

I think the confusion between those two pages is that one lists the officials of the Society and the General members of the F&GPC and the other lists the members of the F&GPC. Mind you it would make sense to have them on the same page.

[David_L]

I don't have a strong view about Ralph's ideas. In the past have members not used the forum to let other members know that they have seedlings for sale, a list of which can be obtained by private email request outside the forum. That seems to me completely reasonable.

[CactusChris]

Hi David - that is what I've done and over a couple of years I now have a list of those who have expressed an interest in my small sales lists. The downside is that whenever I release a list the same people are in first and any announcement of 'if you want a copy email me' is way too late for the new additions - by then the available plants are seriously depleted and they (the new ones) get little value from the list. This seems a shame as I try to propagte some of the slightly odder stuff (look for a sedum from Mexico that is always reported as having dead flies around it for instance - no one knows why) and the prices I charge are generally suitable for people on a limited budget.
Yet I agree that it is not suitable for (especially) commercial suppliers to be posting long lists onto the forum.
Without opening up a new debate -
what about a single thread - suitably labelled - that lets anyone 'advertise' that an updated list is available and can be got via the signature in the post. It will keep getting added to and so bumped up to the top - and will sink during quiet times. Perhaps the text could be limited to "I have a new (seed/plant) list available" or some regulated words of some kind - maybe even none if the thread title was suitably constructed.

Just thinking on my feet here.

Best regards

Chris