I have started this thread because of the interesting comments in the daily photo thread.
These are big plants in 6 inch long tom clay pots. Ex Ians haworthias.
Haworthia truncata 'kwai royal' I get because its a cultivar of truncata.
Haworthia 'tianya' - what would the main species be? Its another japanese cultivar
Cultivar name confusion
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Cultivar name confusion
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Re: Cultivar name confusion
The question is this. Would it be better just to ignore the fancy names and label the plants as Haworthia species/cultivar?
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Re: Cultivar name confusion
A cultivar name or hybrid name, especially something a little 'exotic' would fetch a better price than "hybrid".
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Re: Cultivar name confusion
The first one is H.Tengai, a Koelmaniorum hybrid, in good sun it goes a lovely brick red colour. As for all the fancy Chinese Truncata names that all seem to be translated to English and don't make much sense, I'd ignore the names and just buy whatever appeals, H.Truncata Mammoth is worth looking out for and is one of Ian's best Chinese ones.
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Re: Cultivar name confusion
In addition to the points made above, cultivar names should always be capitalised and include in quite marks to denote they are a cultivar name and not a location, form or anything else. They should also never be in italics.
Unless you know the plant isn't a hybrid and is the species it purports to be, it might be best just to use the genus and cultivar names anyway as they should not be duplicated in a genus. I have some Haworthia 'Lime Green Variegated' that many call truncata but is actually a hybrid (I am told!), for example.
And, while cultivars can be raised from seed in certain circumstances (where you get consistent plants from seed, for example many vegetable seeds and lithops), mostly they are propagated vegetatively and only clones of the cultivar should retain the cultivar name.
Unless you know the plant isn't a hybrid and is the species it purports to be, it might be best just to use the genus and cultivar names anyway as they should not be duplicated in a genus. I have some Haworthia 'Lime Green Variegated' that many call truncata but is actually a hybrid (I am told!), for example.
And, while cultivars can be raised from seed in certain circumstances (where you get consistent plants from seed, for example many vegetable seeds and lithops), mostly they are propagated vegetatively and only clones of the cultivar should retain the cultivar name.
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Re: Cultivar name confusion
Whatever that top is, and is called, it's certainly a splendid plant!
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Re: Cultivar name confusion
Ian usually has them for sale, most likely there will be some at Lullingstone Castle tomorrow. The price has always been £60, one of his pricier plants but nobody else will have it for sale.
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Re: Cultivar name confusion
Two more to mull over. Haworthia Kintaikyo. apparently a cultivar Haworthia venosa x H. koelmaniorum
Haworthia Twelve Incas Rose?
Haworthia Twelve Incas Rose?
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Re: Cultivar name confusion
From the first set, I have found one other reference to 'Kwai Royal', which doesn't really change much, but here it is: https://www.flickr.com/photos/14671025@N05/52364651829/
The second set is more widely known, e.g. 'Incarose' (I have a gut feeling that this is the original spelling) is mentioned here as a "Japan origin", which is rather common: http://succulentauction.com/archive/
'Kintaikyo' is also fairly popular.
The second set is more widely known, e.g. 'Incarose' (I have a gut feeling that this is the original spelling) is mentioned here as a "Japan origin", which is rather common: http://succulentauction.com/archive/
'Kintaikyo' is also fairly popular.
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