Senecio stapeliformis seeds...

[Colin Walker]

Senecio was a huge genus of 2,000 or so spp. but is gradually being split up. So eventually NO succulent spp. will remain in this genus since they're evolutionary far removed from Senecio vulgaris, the common groundsel, which is the type sp. of Senecio.

Colin - what about borderline-succulent species? Will they remain in Senecio? I'm thinking of macroglossus, ruwenzoriensis, oxyriifolius, tropaeolifolius, angulatus.

Hello John, wondered when you'd have a say in this?

No, none of these will remain in Senecio because they're all very, very distantly related to the groundsel S. vulgaris. These like the Madagascan Senecio baronii, crassissmus, decaryi, etc. etc. are currently orphaned in the dustbin genus that's left as Senecio, but rest assured, all these will be moved elsewhere, most to new genera, in the not too distant future.

[John Foster]

Senecio was a huge genus of 2,000 or so spp. but is gradually being split up. So eventually NO succulent spp. will remain in this genus since they're evolutionary far removed from Senecio vulgaris, the common groundsel, which is the type sp. of Senecio.

Colin - what about borderline-succulent species? Will they remain in Senecio? I'm thinking of macroglossus, ruwenzoriensis, oxyriifolius, tropaeolifolius, angulatus.

Hello John, wondered when you'd have a say in this?

No, none of these will remain in Senecio because they're all very, very distantly related to the groundsel S. vulgaris. These like the Madagascan Senecio baronii, crassissmus, decaryi, etc. etc. are currently orphaned in the dustbin genus that's left as Senecio, but rest assured, all these will be moved elsewhere, most to new genera, in the not too distant future.

Thanks Colin, I look forward to learning some new names!

By the way, as I'm sure you realise, it's S. crassissimus.

[Smel]

Hi All,
Thanks for your replies!! Who would think I'd get 22 replies to my simple question, offten I get no replies at all. So I'm the winner I don't care what it's name is, as long as it flowers and I enjoy it and what I'm doing.
You lot can argue and disagree at much as you like, I've seen plants moved to a new genus, only to be moved back again later! And DNA!!

Mel.

[Colin Walker]

Colin - what about borderline-succulent species? Will they remain in Senecio? I'm thinking of macroglossus, ruwenzoriensis, oxyriifolius, tropaeolifolius, angulatus.

Hello John, wondered when you'd have a say in this?

No, none of these will remain in Senecio because they're all very, very distantly related to the groundsel S. vulgaris. These like the Madagascan Senecio baronii, crassissmus, decaryi, etc. etc. are currently orphaned in the dustbin genus that's left as Senecio, but rest assured, all these will be moved elsewhere, most to new genera, in the not too distant future.

Thanks Colin, I look forward to learning some new names!

By the way, as I'm sure you realise, it's S. crassissimus.

Thanks John, you're right of course.